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andrat2000

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #165 on: May 23, 2020, 11:51:52 pm »
A Nazi also flaunts around when he presents taken out of context text snippets from an otherwise text that doesn't support his position, even worse it smashes the Nazis' position.
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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #166 on: May 24, 2020, 02:42:10 am »
I said and answered what I had to say. You keep coming up with your Nazi propaganda. In a democracy I can't discuss and negotiate democratic positions on one side and with your Nazi propaganda on the other side and come up with an about 50:50 result out of it.

The result wouldn't be of democratic values anymore. So nothing to discuss with you. The rest of the people here have democratic values and positions, so with them I continue to discuss.

Speaking about trolls sending unwanted PM's. https://pasteboard.co/J9JY8Fm.png
Just to sort that in. The PM he wrote directly after his last post above.

Ummm...you start the post by addressing me directly.
Then - all of a sudden - you talk about me in the third person.
Okaaaaay.
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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #167 on: May 24, 2020, 02:53:45 am »
"2) The Constitution says NO WHERE that the First Amendment can be overridden by illness/disease."

It is true that the Constitution does not say this. But the Bill of Rights have consistently been interpreted to give way to "reasonableness" restrictions and in the face of "national emergencies." And the Constitution is not where you find out what counts as constitutional. Long ago, Justice Marshall won the day on that argument when he commented: "It is a Constitution that we are expounding." (McCullough v. MD.) The nutshell: the US Supreme Court gets to be the final word on what the Constitution means.

The first limiting principle is embodied by Oliver Wendell Holmes's idea that your right to free speech does not give you the right to yell fire in a crowded theater in Schneck v. US. The second limiting principle is tad bit murkier but the President has the authority to act under any power previously enumerated by Congress. This comes from Youngstown Sheet and Tube. Hence, you need to look at the National Emergencies Act (1976), which basically says that you don't get to go to church for a little while and so you should just get comfortable with that idea instead of opining about constitutional law which apparently you don't know very much about.

And as this poor schmuck learned the hard way, sometimes you're better off not being so opinionated about your supposed fundamental rights: https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-church-california-mothers-day-20200518-2dht2ys4bjgpfehczy36izgi6u-story.html

You just might discover that you're wrong in more ways than one.

LOL...so the Constitution does not matter...only the SCOTUS? Well, that will be news to a few people.

Plus, with the SCOTUS is already 5-4 for righties. And two leftie ones are over 80. And Ginsburg is barely hanging on. If Trump wins in November, she will clearly be out and he will make it 6-3 for righties.

But that is all theory.

The fact remains:

'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.'

'Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'

The First and the Fourteenth (respectively) spell it out loud and clear...the lockdowns are blatantly unconstitutional. But so many people are terrified/cowardly...they don't care right now.
 But history will show I am right...guaranteed.

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #168 on: May 24, 2020, 03:16:50 am »
Some people kept making the point that this virus only kills as much as the common flu. This is wrong. This virus is more deadly than the common flu, and it is a virus ONTOP of the common flu which we have seasonly. Look at it this way, Covid-19 is on track to kill at least 200k American's by the end of 2020. The 62k common flu death number that is flung around is based on the worst flu season ever. We are 4 months into Covid-19 and we've got 90+k dead, and that is with sheltering in place to slow it's spread.

It may not be exactly on top of the common flu. If covid-19 takes out a large portion of those that would have come victim to the common flu this year, then this may turn out to be less of an increase than a simple addition.

But yea, i don't understand why people keep saying it's just the common flu or it's just as deadly, it's clearly not, not by any statistics, not in the US, not in Europe. Death rate will likely be adjusted downwards (hopefully) as testing becomes more prevalent and we get a better picture of how many are actually infected and asymptomatic or only show mild symptoms.

It's a difficult comparison to get a clear picture of the situation, facts vs epidemiological estimates.

Really?

Then check this out:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/summary-1.htm
(this is from March):

Number of confirmed flu cases in America: 222,552
Number of deaths: 22,000
That works out to 9.8% death rate for flu.
Remember the death rate is based on confirmed cases - not suspected cases.

COVID-19 Death Rate in America as of now: 5.9%
(and it was lower in March)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You were saying that 'But yea, i don't understand why people keep saying it's just the common flu or it's just as deadly, it's clearly not, not by any statistics, not in the US'?


BTW - the above does not mean I am saying the flu is more or less serious than COVID-19.

Good day.

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #169 on: May 24, 2020, 08:42:03 pm »
It is in the Nazis' nature that he oversees in his posts the exessive overmortality of COVID-19 with POC.
Well since this Nazi is also in eugenics and euthanasia of older people, it doesn't wonder much anymore.

But maybe the Nazi can one day rethink his eugenics and euthanasia propaganda and return to democratic values and become a valued member of a democracy again. Are there EXIT programs for Nazis in the US, we can recommend to him?
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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #170 on: May 24, 2020, 10:42:38 pm »
'Under the most severe of the five scenarios outlined -- not the agency's "best estimate" -- the CDC lists a symptomatic case fatality ratio of 0.01, meaning that 1% of people overall with Covid-19 and symptoms would die.

In the least severe scenario, the CDC puts that number at 0.2%.'


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cdc-says-35percent-of-coronavirus-infections-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB14r1Ii

And remember - that is 0.2% if you have COVID-19 AND have symptoms.

And the data grows larger and larger that the COVID-19 reaction has been GALACTICALLY overblown.

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #171 on: May 24, 2020, 10:44:05 pm »
'The CDC just confirmed a .2% death-rate for COVID-19.
For that, we have:
* Added nearly 6 trillion to national debt
* Laid-off or furloughed 50 million workers
* Placed 60 million on food stamps
* Gone from 5% to 13% unemployment
* Crippled the petroleum industry
* Ruined the tourism industry
* Bankrupted the service industry
* Caused an impending meat and protein crisis
* Threatened, fined, and arrested church leaders
* Exacerbated mental health problems
* Shut down schools and colleges
* Given unbridled power to unelected officials
* Increased suicides higher than COVID deaths
* Delayed surgeries and treatments for profound illnesses
* Infringed upon countless important civil liberties
* Placed 300 million Americans on house arrest
These consequences are largely due to two things:
The first is our view of government as a god that can control Providence and plagues. In our hubris, we increasingly view the government as a deity who can stop acts of nature.
The second is our sniveling, 21st-century commitment to safety. Our desire to be “safe” ruined our fiscal, physical, medical, food, energy, and national security.
Unfortunately there is no vaccine for cultural fragility.
~JD Hall'


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #172 on: May 24, 2020, 11:03:17 pm »
It is in the Na ...
Maybe you should visit buchenwald & ask if the showers still work ? It seems like , how often you use those words , you like one of this locations .

@888 : totally agree !


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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #173 on: May 24, 2020, 11:31:16 pm »
As far as i know that is a forum for boobs , not for discreet political things . I think this thread was started by Indy to share the problems at this time . Yor problem Mr Andrat is totally different & by the way & i think incurable .

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #174 on: May 24, 2020, 11:40:06 pm »
Hello Sparky, alias Mr. Plopp. You here?
Is blackmailing to doxxing someone not enough? And then after that stalking Martina?

You are seeking revenge that Martina cited a post here of TPB of me over at BEA that lead to your ban overthere.
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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #175 on: May 24, 2020, 11:58:52 pm »
Yes i am still here , without fillups & without stalking people under the equator .  ;) 
"Doxxing" , ähm , was that not your part ? As far as i know you were a stalker over the equator . Or i am wrong ?

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #176 on: May 25, 2020, 12:15:03 am »
In Frankfurt am Main Germany after lifting of the restrictions a Baptist church gathering caused by now over 100 new infections ( and growing) with COVID-19.

A restaurant pre-opening in Leer in Germany May 10th with 40 guests caused 11 COVID-19 infections.

In both cases the self responsibility and self control of the people didn't work. At least the names of the restaurant guests got recorded to track the infection chain..
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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #177 on: May 25, 2020, 12:28:55 am »
In Frankfurt am Main Germany after lifting of the restrictions a Baptist church gathering caused by now over 100 new infections ( and growing) with COVID-19.
And what do we learn from this ? Don't go to church!  I am really happy that in some parts of germany the mask duty ends on 06.June this year !

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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #178 on: May 25, 2020, 06:15:02 am »
The infections from the restaurant incident increased to 18. 4 got infected subsequently outside by these guests. 118 sent into quarantine. By the way the German constitution, because written after the great American flu outbreak 1918-1920 ( the origin was in Kansas) and after the infections in WW2 that impressed the founders of the constitution they added an article that allows on plague events temporary limitations in civil rights.
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Re: COVID-19 - Talk of the day
« Reply #179 on: May 25, 2020, 09:36:37 am »
It is in the Nazis' nature that he oversees in his posts the exessive overmortality of COVID-19 with POC.
Well since this Nazi is also in eugenics and euthanasia of older people, it doesn't wonder much anymore.

But maybe the Nazi can one day rethink his eugenics and euthanasia propaganda and return to democratic values and become a valued member of a democracy again. Are there EXIT programs for Nazis in the US, we can recommend to him?

You clearly read everything I type, you scream at the mods to try and get me banned (failed), you don't even know what words mean (like euthanasia) - yet keep using them wrongly even after you have been shown the definition, you call me childish names that do not apply (even when the mod(s) ask us to be civil), you NEVER post links of merit and you have not even got the guts to debate me either here or in private.
 And hello, dumbass?

'Nazi noun
 ​a member of the National Socialist party which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945
​(disapproving) a person who uses their power in a cruel way; a person with extreme and unreasonable views about race'

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/nazi_2

I am none of those things and have said NOTHING about 'race'. But again, you are so delusional that you have completely arbitrary meanings for words as the mood strikes you.

 You sir appear to be a coward and a troll who seems not very bright and (based on other posts of yours on this forum) a sad, weak little man and a COMPLETE waste of my time.
 Let me know in PM when you get the guts to debate with me one on one...because you sure as shit do not now.

Have a nice life.
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