Author Topic: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?  (Read 10874 times)

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Hi

So let's try this…
You may know me from a couple of threads and that I’m a pro photoshopper (I began as a teen and studied Digital Arts).
Being a big boob lover you'll understand my now studying medicine after completing my digital arts diploma to someday work as a plastic surgeon or assistant MD isn't too far-fetched.
Anyway over the years I helped some of my female friends with occasional photoshop favors like digitally dying and you guessed it: Boobjob pre-visualizing.
Pre-visualizing is originally used in film to pre-render roughly what a final scene will look like.
But I discretely helped a few friends to make their decision on surgery and was promptly referred by one which landed me a kind of freelance internship with two surgeons' practices. Now I am occasionally called in to do pre-visualizations specifically to support the decision making process. Both practices somewhat specialize on surgery that can be done safely for females mainly around 22-25 of age to help them make the right and informed decisions themselves by seeing their final looks beforehand. And to me it helps cover my study expanses a little with supporting a good cause.

So I thought it might be welcome and useful here if I offer my discrete photoshop services to female participants here that are considering surgery. If things go well, I might end up doing is full time, who knows?
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 03:24:35 am »
Examples and few dos & don'ts that make sense:
  • Must be 21+ yrs (max 37 for best health and healing), no exceptions
  • Please don’t ask for my ID or referral to the MDs, I'll respect privacy, please do so, too (we might meet at their’s again where I wanna work later)
  • Provide full body, topless pix in good light (required to get proportions right)
  • I’m doing this and the pre-visuals only for your entertainment/ information purpose, NO medical recommendation or legally binding whatsoever (Appears I'm required in some locations to make that legal statement)
  • Please allow up to 3 weeks to deliver (I also consider this art, it takes hours over days and dozens of PS layers to accomplish the realistic look)
  • Consider these a limited run per year (This being a roughly estimated side job I can complete 1 pre-vis a week on average -> 50pcs p.a.)
  • Sorry, no transgenders please

PM me or let us know here. What do y'all think?








« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 01:03:40 pm by hanru »
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 08:18:57 am »
Nice work, but if there were a means to get paid for doing this I'm sure we would have filled the market with skilled shoppers already. Something I also ponder often... good luck and keep morphing.

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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 02:03:06 am »
Thanx for pointing this out katamari2!

Should've been more clear about why and what I'm offering. I already do this part-time for individuals who might seek more options added to the admirable work by fellow members here.
Yes, tough competition. ;) And yes it will cost you a little (I've so far been paid $100+ per order) to cover my expanses, hours and those important advantages:

So far the feedback I got was the most positive from women who
  • may not wish to disclose their surgery considerations  (Read: "To post 'morph me'" at least semi-publicly) here
  • seek an unbiased input, inpendent from surgeons or big-boob fans tending to recommend going bigger, sometimes not-so-close-to-really-possible. I am a fan of big boobs, too but:
  • You get the pro results as far as the photoshopping is concerned plus
  • the understanding of what is feasable from a medical and beauty perspective regarding a healthy and sound result

So independent perspective, full discretion and choice of posting the results here plus background experience regarding the subject behind the photoshoping skills or the standard morphing-programs surgeons might be what some might look for here. I see this as a custom made piece of art. Hope there's room here for that.
That's with all due respect to my fellow morphers here.


Cheers!
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 12:32:00 pm by hanru »
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 06:26:06 am »
I think our point is there's not really anything special about "professional" morphing. Just about anyone can do it, and the benefit of utilizing "professional" skills isn't $100 worth of difference. Maybe a little shadow here, a little smoothness to that edge over there, but nothing critical to a doctor's or patient's decisions. In other words, the only people who would drop cash on a morph are those who are fooled into thinking it's not already a ridiculously popular amateur pastime.

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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2015, 03:11:43 pm »
vertiggo,
Thank you for your reply too. Yes, I do see your perspective. But…
I'd appreciate a little more of the same respect for anybody's contributions to this forum, including mine. It's the same as with any photography, music, film or multimedia job. I could call it a "smartass" comment by you using you're tone ("ridiculously" or "fooling people").
Pro results will differ from "free". And I wasn't even posting against others' contributions here.

Obviously you'd also call on a friend who's changed his facebook profile name from "Jon Doe" to "Jon Doe photography" because he just bought a DSL and photoshop as a hobby to shoot your
wedding photos. Well that's fine, I respect that. "Enjoy" the results.
Please respect that there will always be amateurs, semi-pros and pros.

Because there actually ARE those willing to pay for semi-pro and pro work including that by digital artists, people which others call - essentially rephrasing your post – "stupid".
So I'm not here to ignite that kind of stereotype forum flaming by people who spent an admirable time here (only some possibly not in balance to the real world).
I'm neither aiming to "cash in", nor to provide amateur results.

Feel free to go work for 10-20 hours for free. I'm not. I'm trying to cover my learning/living expanses by contributing quality to a good cause.
I'm offering art to those who appreciate and see the value to them on it. Art on what some may find a delicate matter. Art and attention, time for females who consider trying to improve but who otherwise wouldn't dare.
And I'm actually following a recommendation to this platform by former clients to take this experience from the pro and semi-pro world and offer it here.
So I offer my service and experience to those who appreciate it instead of prematurely judging it. Like you.



Thank you.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 03:33:44 pm by hanru »
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2015, 03:47:21 pm »
I understand my post sounds negative, and I don't mean it to be personal or sound like an attack, I'm just pointing out that morphing breasts takes 5 to 10 minutes. It's your prerogative to spend 20 hours on a photo, but nobody is going to look at it and say they'd rather pay $100 for the "professional" one. Pro photography takes massive amounts of talent and learning color science, technology, lighting, and so on... morphing is just making boobs look bigger. Unless you've never seen a boob it's not very complex.

These are mine, by the way... they only took a few minutes each. I'm not just trying to be a dick:
https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=9697.msg88698#msg88698
« Last Edit: October 15, 2015, 03:50:43 pm by vertiggo »

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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2015, 04:00:26 pm »
Nice stuff, specially for the believability. But only aiming at the men looking at them.
With all due respect, they do look like you discovered and practiced the liquify tool and some layer effects. That's cool. But:

They are heavily on the baloon-ey / saggy / comical / "go bigger" / sexual side of things. Which is nice for men.
Sorry but whatever job YOU do, I'm sure I can do it in 20 minutes, too. You're a banker? I'll quickly uploads some excel sheets, too. I can calculate with thousands, me.

My above examples are on pornstars too, showing more than the PS skills that (not in these demo examples, obviously) are only the result of including and respecting the morphed individual in the process. And not only what's feasible with the liquify and scale tool…

So there's obviously more into the picture than meets the eye.

 
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2015, 10:09:51 pm »
lol

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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2015, 11:06:07 pm »
Maybe we all need to calm ourselves down a bit. Perhaps I can have you two understand and value each other better, if not so, I can at least contribute my opinion.

Let me first clarify: I'm a self-taught morpher, everything I learned about photoshop and image manipulation I learned from experimenting and reading tutorials. I am not an artists who uses photoshop on a regular basis, so I might as well be a lot slower than the worst professional here. You can thus clearly see morphing is but a hobby for me, and from the feedback I got I think it is safe to assume that at least some people like what I'm doing.

But enough about me, lets talk about the two of you.

Vertiggos posts sound quite negative, and after carful consideration, I'd say they are not only an attack to the quality of hanru's work but to morphers in general (even if this includes vertiggo himself). Reassuring vertiggo does not want this to sound like an attack still does not change it still being one. I'll show you by quoting some of it:

[...] I'm just pointing out that morphing breasts takes 5 to 10 minutes. [...]
This is an over-generalization, we'll look into that later. It's safe to say, if this was true, it would imply that hanru is wasting time, i.e not working efficient, and thus not as professional as he is presenting himself to be.

[...] morphing is just making boobs look bigger[...]
And here's the attack towards all morphers: you might see it this way, but others might not. Please do not present your attitude as universal truth.

[...]Unless you've never seen a boob it's not very complex.[...]
Lastly, what are you going to imply here? That hanru has not yet seen naked breast? Which in turn implies his entire story was made up?

These quotes are from the "apology" you wrote, I'm not eben going to quote your original post. But I'm trying not to look at this onesided. Let me continue with hanru's concern.

When I first read hanru's post, I didn't know how to feel about it. It's safe to say I was dubious at least, since at this time he didn't provide any exemplary work. Also I had my doubts about the term "pro photoshopper", which could in my experience mean anything. Still hanru's story sounded like a dream: Most of us want to earn easy wealth. Many of us, so I suppose, dream about working with boobs as a profession. Some might also dream about having a carreer in plastic surgery.  And most can only dream. So I can't deny, I was come over with jealousy, shook my head and though: "This does not work for me, it can/should/must/will not work for hanru!". And by reading vertiggos posts, I have a feeling he is, too.
But I strongly believe I can take delight in other's delight. Realizing my own unwanted emotions can help me become a better man and allow me to find comfort.

Second let me analyze some of hanru's work, from my critical point of view: perhaps vertiggo can see where the "proffessionalism" and the immense time expense lies. I'm also going to leave some words about vertiggos morphs. I'm sure hanru can already see what I was going at, since he disrespectfully (still, even with preluding apology) stated your work
[...] look[...] like you discovered and practiced the liquify tool and some layer effects. That's cool. [...]

No. It's not. I value everyone contributing their morphs, so we all can suspend our beliefs together.

As a personal taste, I do prefer artistic and everyday situations to pornstar morphs. But I think that is no hindrance in judging the technical execution of the work.

Sideboob, one may think, not really a challegne. And I think one would be wrong. Generally, sideboob is easier, but it is quite hard to mold the breast in a believable way to the torso. The breast tissue  is not blurred (hard to say at medium resolution) and there are veins visible. Overall the skin is semi-translucent, as it should be. The shape is high profile, but others will be more qualified to rate the shape. I do not say it necessarily takes up to 20 hours to do this, but from my own morphing I know the devil in detail. Few can truly see the amount of work put in.

On the other hand, let's look at a comparable (in viwing angle and breast size) morph of vertiggo:


vertiggo did nicely, too, but there are minor flaws, he might not have spotted himself. Firstly, the breast tissue is pixelated, I guess this stems from cutting and resizing or from liquifying. But there's even more: the breast does not cast shadows on MCB's leg, and lastly, and most important, there is this characteristic warp in the chink between the background wood boards. You might not believe it, but a lot of time is eaten up by scanning and correcting such "artifacts".

Further, I found it the hardest of work to blend donor breasts above the breats with the chest area. While hanru is doing well regarding this in my opinion, I can see that vertiggo is avoiding having to blend by using frog-perpective or clothed chestpieces.




It is by no means a disgrace to go for the easy morph, I myself do so most often. But once you do a really challenging piece you learn to appreciate the hard work. Please notice, that I do not know how long each of you spends on their work: I take from vertiggo's saying, that he is working "a few minutes" each on his morphs. Considering this, they are excellent and if I had been asked to guess the workload I would certainly have at least guessed an hour each.

So finally I want to encourage both of you to keep on working: None of us profits from you being embarassed or angry. For all of us this is a joyful hobby, and if some can make a living or fortune or casual earning from it, all the better. If possible, I would like to view more work of hanru and vertiggo and I encourage hanru to try out his "medical morphing" business and wish him good luck.
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2015, 01:41:04 am »
Very nice pics! The third pic with the leg split looks awfully scary with that black lip gap and extra makeup though. Just not my cup of tea.

My opinion on this topic of selling your work is that it'll be a difficult task to monetize, seeing as there are tons of communities that are willing to do the same thing for free at very near or at exactly the same levels of quality. I wish you all the luck with your talent, but I believe you're better off sharing your work here with us for all of us to enjoy whilst promoting something else that you can accomplish via photoshop. That way your popularity can fund other projects or passions within photo-editing that you may have.

That's just my two cents. Thanks again for sharing. This was very interesting!

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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2015, 07:11:16 am »
Vertiggos posts sound quite negative, and after carful consideration, I'd say they are not only an attack to the quality of hanru's work but to morphers in general (even if this includes vertiggo himself). Reassuring vertiggo does not want this to sound like an attack still does not change it still being one.

Bro I didn't attack the quality of anyone's work... you still misunderstand my perspective. hanru is obviously pretty good, even if his second one looks animated and unrealistically blurry, you're completely right about the side-boob one, it's detailed and pretty accurate.

Again, my point is who really values 20 hours of extra veins at $100?

There is no question we all do different types of work, and I choose pictures that will look good manipulated... but if you have a camera and cooperative subject, are you not going to do the same or more? When I say morphing is not that complex I'm not downplaying the rest of us, I'm telling the new guy he's not going to save the world with a little extra detail, the result isn't 1000 times more useful. Like Beetle said, there are tons of us who enjoy doing this for free... I would be incensed if someone stepped in talking big game and ripped off our female members by convincing them that his morphs are worth paying hand over fist for. It's not going to make their surgeries and more successful, and that's what he's claiming... that he has the magic tough because he "respects" the individual and is not "morphing for men". He implies that our morphs are self-serving and misogynistic merely based on their appearance and size and somehow his are not! suchlol

(If there was any question, at this point it is absolutely personal. He's chosen to attack the "honor" of the rest of us which is quite self-righteous in my opinion.)
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2015, 03:19:18 pm »
That post by Cato should be a sticky in this subforum.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to make this a pissing match. If you can get $100 then go for it. I haven't charged that and will continue to do requests for free, so sorry/not sorry to under cut your market price the same product in a different style.

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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 01:50:27 am »
Sorry fellas, I did not mean to post "universal truths" or attack anybody's work in the first place to earn those. I offered my services here and then came those smartass remarks to which I responded. Yes, we all do a superficial thing, it is cosmetic. But also pointing at the other side of things does not make me question anyone's honor. That's as much BS as those smartass judgements anyone can obviously make who did.

The same smartass remarks that do actually occur by those if a woman chooses to go smaller for instance. And those to my work or pointing towards their presence and potential wishes here in this forums where about as smartass as those "ugh, thought she'd go bigger" comments right after someone's surgery.

Never said any other morpher here does bad work, does not respect females or that I'm doing better stuff.
That are actually the quick cheap shots that started the discussion here instead of seeing the potential that might detract from "the honor" (read attention) toward some – and only some – wannabe's here where we should really give it to others…

Which is what I was and still am actually about…
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2015, 01:02:42 pm »
Back onto the creative and constructive side again:
I didn't start this to devalue or dishonour anyone else's work. It's disappointing when you offer something that is indeed hard to pull off for the exact reasons that were proven here with some remarks: Premature judgement.

So I'd even like to thank Cato for putting things in perspective. I welcome criticism where a sophisticated or educated background shines through.
Again:

  • I became a member here following a recommendation by an individual that's been a member here long before.
  • My offer is on a favor-for-favor basis and different (never said 'better') than others
  • It's not for the money or to capitalize heavily, but to contribute to this forum. (Do the math: I was estimating one job a month at $100 -> $1200 isn't really "cashing in", is it?)

I worked in the recording industry. Same there: "Anyone can record an album for little money these days." But I'm offering a special price for some quality time in between sessions at a recording studio and beyond. Opposite to some really rushed work some people sometimes try. People do value time for quality and the outcome. And it's not like I'm offering Super-Audio at the Napster-MP3 forum, is it?


So I wouldn't share this if the critics were right and I was only about making quick money:
I got 17 responses over the last week (some of which where also via eBay advertising). And much more views, yes.
The women that responded were actually interested in exactly the way I'm offering to do this:
Their choice as to who they show something at all, be it their consideration of a boob-job, their boobs or the results.

Most were "quiet" followers on this forum that hardly or never post here. So I adjusted that condition above.
One individual was from Lakewood, CA (she offer I disclose at least that) encouraging me to continue this right here. She does appreciate my "mixed background expertise" as she calls it, otherwise she would never have mailed me. And she doess appreciate the time on top my day job I spent on this. So we're maoling now and see what we can do. If she changes her mind - fine. Up to her. Still:

Nice to be of service!  :)
« Last Edit: October 18, 2015, 01:04:19 pm by hanru »
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 01:24:08 am »
And another one: Jane Mrazkova, this one actually ordered by one of our fellow forum members.
It's hard to keep in mind and stick to both the forum rules and those connected to the job.

But since the the customer ordering it encouraged me to post the results here as a >donation< of his, at least I can share the image in a way that respects both rules for explicit content…
I'll leave it to the customer to disclose who they are or not.


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After:




Double thanks for ordering and on behalf of all of us here!
Hope it brightens up your Saturday afternoon and the rest of the weekend.
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Re: Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2015, 03:57:00 pm »
…just realized I posted only the thumbnails.

So here are the actual images.

Before:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/c99764447106008

After:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/d14215447106018

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Anybody interested in pro Boobjob pre-visualizing ("Uber-morphs")?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 03:24:51 pm »
Had a couple of days off so I had time to morph something nice.
Yet another hottie who could drastically improve her appearance with a boobjob, don't you think?

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