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dajkam

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2020, 11:06:09 am »
My sister's next-door neighbour hanged himself two nights ago. It was thought to be over the catastrophic damage that the virus has done to his financial situation.

His wife found him and got help. Then the ambulance turned up. No word as to whether or not he is dead.
I feel very sorry for his famillby. He was a real casualty of coronavirus. If there only was a way to keep new infections low and in the keep everything running. The loses for the economy wuld be much greater then those caused by the virus.

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2020, 04:22:26 pm »
Free not to answer but Does anyone know someone who is infected?


I know a few:
Friends uncle and nephew, one co-worker self quarantined himself about 2 weeks ago,another co-workers girlfriend. I just found out about the girlfriend last night, saying how pissed i am right now that he didn't talk about it and risk everyone at the job is an understatement.




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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2020, 03:09:35 am »
We live in Western Australia and now have closed our borders, all restaurants, most shops other than essential services such as food , fuel and chemists.

All elective surgery was stopped and this means no more cosmetic procedures in the foreseeable future.

I feel for the women who had boob jobs booked that they had saved up for, booked sometimes months in advance with right surgeon to do it for them. Only to be cancelled for probably 6 months or more.

For many women they or their partner who have now lost their jobs or had hours reduced - those savings will be needed elsewhere in their lives.

The specialist breast surgeons will see a downturn too , maybe leading to them laying off staff in their private clinics.
Some will take a 6 month holiday or work in other areas of healthcare.

So as a Boob Job orientated site we will see a year possibly longer where no new talent emerges as the worlds economy recovers.

I dont mean to down play other aspects of the Covid19 virus in our lives but it will severely impact on our lives in many ways long after the crisis has passed.

I did ponder if a woman with deflated implant would be considered a special case for repair or replacement or will she have to live with it till this passes.
Not a pleasant prospect for many women.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2020, 04:28:29 am by Wabill »
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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2020, 10:10:09 pm »
Boris Johnson has gone into intensive care.

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2020, 12:12:12 am »
Boris Johnson has gone into intensive care.
Haven't he said that he would like as many people as possible to be infected? To gain immunity?

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2020, 02:37:40 am »
Boris Johnson has gone into intensive care.
Haven't he said that he would like as many people as possible to be infected? To gain immunity?

Ignorance abounds. A friend of our family is a pharmacist, who works for a national chain in the US. She said she doesn't mind being exposed because she's helping people, but it irks her to no end that some people are risking their lives and hers to buy make-up, candy and soda. I guess we all have different ideas to what's essential.

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2020, 11:20:49 am »
Boris Johnson has gone into intensive care.
Haven't he said that he would like as many people as possible to be infected? To gain immunity?

Ignorance abounds. A friend of our family is a pharmacist, who works for a national chain in the US. She said she doesn't mind being exposed because she's helping people, but it irks her to no end that some people are risking their lives and hers to buy make-up, candy and soda. I guess we all have different ideas to what's essential.

Yeah. That was the government's original idea. But that quickly changed after many scientists strongly disagreed.


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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2020, 04:19:59 am »
Boris Johnson has gone into intensive care.
Haven't he said that he would like as many people as possible to be infected? To gain immunity?

Ignorance abounds. A friend of our family is a pharmacist, who works for a national chain in the US. She said she doesn't mind being exposed because she's helping people, but it irks her to no end that some people are risking their lives and hers to buy make-up, candy and soda. I guess we all have different ideas to what's essential.
No one is risking anyone's lives.
COVID-19 has been GALACTICALLY overblown.
Not maybe - 100% for certain.
Look at this link to New York State COVID-19 deaths:
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-Fatalities?%3Aembed=yes&%3Atoolbar=no&%3Atabs=n
It clearly shows that almost 90+% of people whom die of COVID-19 had at least one, serious health issue (and this list does not include 'weakened immune systems' - so add more).
And look at the ages?
 Almost 85% of those who died were old farts - over 60. And almost no one under 20 died of it.
 And these numbers are the same all over the world.
COVID-19 is NOTHING but some overblown virus that virtually kills ONLY weak, old people.
Here is more:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/two-thirds-patients-die-coronavirus-would-have-died-year-anyway/
This is from that HUGE big shot in the UK. And even he admits that at least 2/3 of people who will die of COVID-19 were going to die this year anyway.
 There is no reason WHATSOEVER to shutdown the economy over this - NONE. And these statistics were known to governments months ago.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext  Go to Table 1
https://www.globalresearch.ca/mit-tech-review-smears-study-proving-covid-19-overhyped/5710088
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/surv-covid19-epi-update-eng.pdf  Go to Table 5

And I can show LOTS more links that back up what I am saying. If the ignorant masses (not saying you are one of them) would stop blindly believing whatever the MSM and the government tells them and do just a little research themselves...they could have seen the truth long ago.

All the government's should have done was warn those people with serious health issues to self-quarantine, give them some money if they need it and let everyone else lead normal lives.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2020, 04:30:01 am by 888 »

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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2020, 10:42:22 am »
if this is true and Covid 19 is as "GALACTICALLY overblown" as you say then death rates per capita of ALL causes should be around the same, no?

After all, if the disease isn't doing much damage then we wouldn't expect to see many more people dying than usual, right?

But the data says the opposite.
In the UK, for example, in Week 14 of the year, the total was 6,082 deaths (or 59%) above the average for that week of the year. Week 15’s total was 7,996 (76%) above average. In Week 16, it was 11,854 above, or 113%.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how do you reconcile these death figures with your finding that this is overblown?

(source: https://fullfact.org/health/covid-deaths/)
« Last Edit: May 07, 2020, 10:46:44 am by punternet »

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2020, 03:26:32 pm »
TL;DR:
We're dealing with a new virus, which we still know very little about. Some small scale research has been done and we're trying to make the best predictions based on ever increasing data and knowledge. Policy will be adjusted according to new insights.
We take these serious measures, to avoid getting totally screwed over by something we have not encountered before in these 'modern' times.
The fine balance of keeping the economy going and keeping our society (including weaker and elderly people) safe is a delicate one.
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COVID-19 has been GALACTICALLY overblown.
Not maybe - 100% for certain.
There is no reason WHATSOEVER to shutdown the economy over this - NONE. And these statistics were known to governments months ago.

Unless you actually know about genetics and biology, then the picture changes, and you would probably try to be very cautious.
The numbers are what they are because of how we contained it, not because it's 'just just a flu', even if we didn't do a very good job doing so initially.
It's hard to imagine how things would have looked if we hadn't acted, i don't think it'd be a pretty picture.
Our economy was/is a house of cards anyway, this recession (if not depression) was due late anyway, this was just a catalyst. The solutions being implemented right now to keep things ticking, are at the very core of the problem, so even after the pandemic, the economic situation will probably not be very nice for a large portion of the population.
The fraction of asymptomatic infections or those with few symptoms range from little under 30% from Korean, Japanese and Chinese research to about 90% from German research and anything in between. The problem is the scale of this research, samples are way too small and local to get to any useful conclusion, but the media just loves to gobble up this news and present it as spectacular.

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Here is more:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/25/two-thirds-patients-die-coronavirus-would-have-died-year-anyway/
This is from that HUGE big shot in the UK. And even he admits that at least 2/3 of people who will die of COVID-19 were going to die this year anyway.
Did you even read this yourself beyond the headline? It's a lot of "maybe" going on there. This article is a month old and they underestimated the death toll quite a bit by well over 50%. Again, that is WITH the protocols in place. Comorbidity doesn't mean 'they would have died soon anyway', it just means there was an additional condition that compromised their ability to recover.

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And I can show LOTS more links that back up what I am saying. If the ignorant masses (not saying you are one of them) would stop blindly believing whatever the MSM and the government tells them and do just a little research themselves...they could have seen the truth long ago.
Sure you can, it's the internet. I'm sure you can find a reference to corona virus somewhere in one of the Simpsons episode and how they were going to build 5G antennas to spread this humanly engineered virus... Or any other scenario you can imagine really, you can find 'evidence' for it on the internet.
Oh no wait, i like the one with the China bio weapon designed to shut down the US economy more.


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All the government's should have done was warn those people with serious health issues to self-quarantine, give them some money if they need it and let everyone else lead normal lives.
And when should they have done that? As i said before, still at this point after months of pandemic, we're just starting to learn how this thing works.
The response of most of world was questionable to say the least, preventive measures would have saved a lot of drama, instead they chose to prioritize the economy and keep things going for as long as possible.
Well that didn't work out too nicely now did it.
We can barely get on top of it with full lock downs... (yea i know, UK and US are totally not on top of this... but an increasing number of countries are) If you just 'warn the elderly', nobody would take it serious i think, people hardly do already at this moment.

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COVID-19 is NOTHING but some overblown virus that virtually kills ONLY weak, old people.
It is fatal MAINLY in elderly and people with underlying conditions, NOT only.
The protocols in place are not to protect you, the strong alpha male that can withstand any virus, illness or injury! Or is it...?
It is to protect the weak in our society and our health care system and everybody working in it. Then non-covid issues all of a sudden become indirect covid issues.

Alright, time to take off the tin-foil hat, put your confirmation bias back into the closet, do some science.
We are still applying 'old' methods to treat covid patients, there are countless reports of inconsistent symptoms and reactions to treatment. We are still far from understanding this thing and having a consensus on how to best classify and treat it. I would vouch for treating carefully and try to learn as much as we can without totally overwhelming the medical system. We're just trying to establish 'controlled conditions' so to say. Proceed from there.

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2020, 03:31:13 pm »
So how does the desinfectants work for the US members or the light therapy? I mean the president says it, so it must be true and work.

I am pretty sure someone of his staff members mentioned to him MMS or similar and might be even involved in selling this dangerous idiotic stuff to earn money with it and he couldn't resist and blurted it out.

How this guy hasn't been impeached is beyond me...

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2020, 04:22:25 pm »
So how does the desinfectants work for the US members or the light therapy? I mean the president says it, so it must be true and work.

I am pretty sure someone of his staff members mentioned to him MMS or similar and might be even involved in selling this dangerous idiotic stuff to earn money with it and he couldn't resist and blurted it out.

How this guy hasn't been impeached is beyond me...

......he has been impeached.

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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2020, 05:41:02 pm »
if this is true and Covid 19 is as "GALACTICALLY overblown" as you say then death rates per capita of ALL causes should be around the same, no?

After all, if the disease isn't doing much damage then we wouldn't expect to see many more people dying than usual, right?

But the data says the opposite.
In the UK, for example, in Week 14 of the year, the total was 6,082 deaths (or 59%) above the average for that week of the year. Week 15’s total was 7,996 (76%) above average. In Week 16, it was 11,854 above, or 113%.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how do you reconcile these death figures with your finding that this is overblown?

(source: https://fullfact.org/health/covid-deaths/)
Well, I did not say COVID-19 was not killing anyone.
I said that virtually the only people it was killing are people who are old and sick...and ALL the statistics from country after country confirm that (see my links above)
 Even the top Brit guy on this agrees with me on that - in my link above.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2020, 09:45:21 pm by 888 »

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2020, 06:28:58 pm »

1)The numbers are what they are because of how we contained it, not because it's 'just just a flu', even if we didn't do a very good job doing so initially.
2)It's hard to imagine how things would have looked if we hadn't acted, i don't think it'd be a pretty picture.



3)Did you even read this yourself beyond the headline? It's a lot of "maybe" going on there. This article is a month old and they underestimated the death toll quite a bit by well over 50%. Again, that is WITH the protocols in place. Comorbidity doesn't mean 'they would have died soon anyway', it just means there was an additional condition that compromised their ability to recover.


4)Sure you can, it's the internet.



5)It is fatal MAINLY in elderly and people with underlying conditions, NOT only.
6)The protocols in place are not to protect you, the strong alpha male that can withstand any virus, illness or injury! Or is it...?
It is to protect the weak in our society and our health care system and everybody working in it. Then non-covid issues all of a sudden become indirect covid issues.


I don't know how you do all this multi-'quote' shit. So I will answer your statements that I have numbered.

1) With respect, wrong. The numbers are EXACTLY the same (in terms of who is mostly dying) in Sweden and the 7/8 US states (like Iowa) that did NOT lock down their population compared to locations that did. EXACTLY.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

2) Wrong - it's easy to imagine. Just look at Sweden. They did NOT lockdown and their death rate is lower than the UK's, France's and Italy's...who ALL did lock down.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

3) the rest of the article was irrelevant. The point was that THE guy in the UK said that 2/3 of COVID-19 deaths were to people who would have died within a year anyway. And I am positive he knows a HELL of a lot more about it then you (or I) do.
 He should - it was his words that were the main cause of all the panic in the UK.

4) Are you saying the official government statistics of New York State and Canada are erroneous? Yes or No, please?

https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-Fatalities?%3Aembed=yes&%3Atoolbar=no&%3Atabs=n
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/surv-covid19-epi-update-eng.pdf   Table 5

5) Wrong.
I typed: 'COVID-19 is NOTHING but some overblown virus that virtually kills ONLY weak, old people.'
I will assume that you did not see the word 'virtually'.

6) That makes no sense. If the vulnerable are already quarantined - how can quarantining the rest make any difference to the vulnerable already quarantined?
 Please answer that.
And the more younger people that get this - the faster a herd immunity can happen.

Once again - my point is NOT that COVID-19 is not deadly. My point is that it is VIRTUALLY only deadly to people whom are old and very sick.

No offense, but you are talking just like 80% of the world...like you are blindly believing what the government/MSM say and refuse to look at the facts.
EVERY link to stats I posted above cite government statistics from all over the globe as sources.

What should have been done is obvious.
Quarantine the vulnerable (the sick and the weak), give them money to help out and let everyone else lead their lives as normal.
That way, the vulnerable are under no extra danger and the economy goes on as normal without the tens of millions of layoffs and all the huge numbers of bankruptcies.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/bankruptcies-likely-massive-small-businesses-201138758.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/swedish_epidemiologist_johan_giesecke_why_lockdowns_are_the_wrong_policy.html
« Last Edit: May 07, 2020, 09:50:34 pm by 888 »

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Re: 888's furious ranting room
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2020, 09:43:59 pm »
Here is more proof that this lockdown is TOTALLY useless (except for those who have serious, health issues).

'NY Gov. Cuomo says 66% of new COVID-19 patients were sheltering at home: 'This is a surprise''

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/7/andrew-cuomo-says-66-of-new-covid-19-patients-were/

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