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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2021, 10:34:37 am »
Nobody cares about this
Wrong. I TOTALLY care about this. And I am a frequent user/poster on this forum.

But it reveals to me that however much I'd like to be a feminist, a promoter of equality between the sexes, and someone who wants the barriers of gender to be blown away, I still VERY MUCH have an ideal woman for sex in my mind, which this forum delivers in a virtual version. Over and over again.

So, we users of this forum must admit: it is one of the ways in which male superiority over women is exercised. This whole site is dedicated to women enhancing themselves just to be more attractive to men. What we do here is promote a body image that is unattainable for the VAST majority of women naturally, and without means for elective surgery. I struggle with that morally, as a person who really wants to live in a world where men and women are equal. Even where the whole polarity of male vs. female is challenged. I believe there is a gender spectrum, which is just starting to be acknowledged . . . perhaps a whole 'nother topic . . .

Anyway, while this site is body-enhancement positive, that's NOT a feminist perspective. If you are someone that truly wants to see women liberated, this forum isn't helping make that happen. I struggle with that. If you don't, and enjoy this forum, then I'd say you're probably sexist.

Equality between sexes doesn't mean sameness.
Having a gender spectrum be possible, doesn't mean that a far end of femininity and masculinity can't or shouldn't exist. It also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to live and enjoy their own, personal sexuality, no matter if it is devised from cultural mainstream and heteronormative or outside of that.

The majority of women that are somehow represented in this forum use the sexual attention that they get and provoke for monetization, which is also not inherently flawed if there is not some form of gaslighting or violence involved. It is a choice that women can make in this society. This forum enables that choice, and doesn't disallow other choices.
How we interact with women in real life who are not represented here is a whole other question.

Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty of sexism going on here. It's not ok to see women as inferior and write angry blurbs because they are "not big enough" or not attractive for you in some other way, and there is way too much going on of that - especially since we are always also talking about a medical issue.

But classical feminist issues, like gender violence or the pay gap should not be connected to personal sexuality or how people look.

In other words, liking breast implants is not exercising male superiority over women.
Talking about them isn't either.
Emanzipation works with or without fake tits.

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2021, 02:33:49 pm »
Nobody cares about this
I struggle with that.

Good post, I feel the same way, I struggle too.  I feel it is a mostly healthy struggle, better to have the struggle and discuss it then to surpress it and claim that body enhancements are 100% positive for all involved.    The ones here that are not ready for this type of reasoning and sometimes shout "you need help man" to whoever annoys them or have a different view are not yet open or mature enough to see that they are sexist.  Sexists rarely see it themself.  But if you would read out many of the comments from this forum IRL, at work or for your kids or parents, in that real life context they would have a hard time defending them.

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2021, 08:10:00 pm »
Do we, active members and contributors on this forum, need to care about our actions and how we comment women in regards to their looks, enhancements, what they do with their life and career?   

Are the topics of our discussions on this forum just objects or do we see them as human beings?     Is there a differences on how we perceive and comment on pornstars, amateurs, wifes, escorts, models and celebrities?     

In a couple of threads I have been guilty of off topic discussions around this, resulting in heated debates about who is right, who is wrong, so I started this thread.
 
 
https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=38692.90

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=60883.msg574507#msg574507

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=47738.msg573830#msg573830


I propose that this quandary of morals starts as one of context and audience...

The debate starts with the question of "What is the purpose of ThePerfectBoobs.net?"  Some users view this site as one where they can enter the fantasy world of their sexual desires. Others might see this site as a locker room chat where objects of sexual desire can be ogled and gossiped about. And others still might see it as a forum where all sexes and lovers of the female anatomy can safely explore enhancements to the female form... The list could go on and on, but I think the basis for many arguments starts with the fact that different users view this site for different proposes, and even the most "moral" of us can admit to making comments about other women to a friend that we wouldn't say to that person's face. In lack of a specifically defined propose of this site, I think we all have to assume that anything we say, needs to be something we would say to that person's face (since they could be reading). But as social media has taught us - people acting anonymously often act without accountability.  And even non-anonymous people have no problem acting (speaking) badly. 

Then the debate continues with consideration of the audience, in particular, the women "on display".  Some women probably don't know they are mentioned here or don't care, while others watch this site or even participate. Some women on this site that participate in the display of their enhanced bodies do so acting as their selves, while others are acting more as an actress in character.  Each likely has their own drive; money, attention, their own sexual desires, or possibly not even their own but their partner or husbands.  What each women is here for is a line that can get quite blurred, but I'd say at best we could guess based on the existence of some form of paid content and use of fake names.  Without the woman stating specifically if they are participating and at what level, we can only guess.  I would default to say again that without the certainty of knowing, a moral person should default with the assumption that the women are participating in one way or another, and reading what is said about them as a person (not character).

With these in mind, we can then make some proposals about moral vs immoral acts.  It would be immoral to do any of the following without further clarifying the propose of the site and the participation expectations of the women in focus;
- Post pictures of women without their knowledge (images not already made public)
- Make negative comments about a person's physical appearance (unless honest feedback is requested)
- Use rude or inapropriate language
- Objectify a person
- Make moral judgements about another person
- Make comments of a strong sexual nature
etc... (99% of us should be capable of coming up with a list of immoral acts = things you wouldn't do to your mother or sister)

I believe this site and all the forums could still exist and adhere to basic guidelines of morality - i.e. this site in and of itself is not immoral, and neither is being a participant in the activities of this site.  In actual practice, all of this is hard because we have people from different cultural backgrounds, different life styles, and different moral codes.  Thus, to some extent I'd say this debate is one that could go on without end... or at least till people stop adding comments that pop it back to the top of the list  ;D

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2021, 06:48:59 am »
My arguments about why TPB is inherently sexist go over the heads of most users here, I'm afraid. But, as Wiild pointed out to me, who do you expect to find as participants in such a forum as this, that glorifies the objectification of the the female form into the most male-pleasing version possible, including where potentially dangerous surgery is encouraged to achieve that "ideal"?

And yet, yes, I, too, am very attracted to this enhanced female form. And, so, here I am, enjoying having my sexual fantasy fulfilled here, at least digitally. That's the contradiction I struggle with: simultaneously consuming porn and buying sex, and desiring a world where women are as free as men. TPB represents an objectification of women that is not helpful in their liberation. But it is a pleasure for me to consume what is delivered here. Admittedly, I give in to my pleasure, rather than hold with my ideal. Therein, the struggle.

Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2021, 03:41:11 pm »
Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

Let's get real: no one shares publicly their kinks.
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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2021, 05:57:52 pm »
Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

Let's get real: no one shares publicly their kinks.

Generally speaking I'm sure that's probably the case.  But I would respectfully counter this claim from personal experience - If you have a girlfriend or wife with XL breast implants, heavily augmented lips, facial fillers, Buttox Augmentations and/or any combination of the like, you are effectively making it public what your kinks are without having to state it. This is sort of the trade-off of being with someone heavily augmented as some of the women featured here.  The general public often judges the women more, but judgement is also shared with the partner from time to time.  This certainly does take the question of the "Moral Implications of being a perfect boobs lover" to a whole different angle when you can't hide behind a made up username.

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2021, 12:59:59 am »
Good point Human,
When we are out, Sarah will catch peoples eye, they stare at her for a while - then I’m checked out.
Most times it’s casual and out of curiosity, others, particularly other older women you can see the look of disdain in their eyes.
So yes, if you have a girl on your arm with big fake boobs, lips, makeup, hair etc. you are very much telling the world what your personal preferences are.

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2021, 10:10:01 am »
My arguments about why TPB is inherently sexist go over the heads of most users here, I'm afraid. But, as Wiild pointed out to me, who do you expect to find as participants in such a forum as this, that glorifies the objectification of the the female form into the most male-pleasing version possible, including where potentially dangerous surgery is encouraged to achieve that "ideal"?

And yet, yes, I, too, am very attracted to this enhanced female form. And, so, here I am, enjoying having my sexual fantasy fulfilled here, at least digitally. That's the contradiction I struggle with: simultaneously consuming porn and buying sex, and desiring a world where women are as free as men. TPB represents an objectification of women that is not helpful in their liberation. But it is a pleasure for me to consume what is delivered here. Admittedly, I give in to my pleasure, rather than hold with my ideal. Therein, the struggle.

Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

To describe the female form we are interested in here as the one that is the "most male-pleasing version possible" is a bit of an overstatement in my book. Other men like other forms.
I'm not sure if you are criticising the people here for the expression of their interests, or the idea of breast implants itself or both.

This forum could and should be made more female friendly (regardless of there actually being more women here), but that has little to nothing to do with you not being able to talk about your interest in fake boobs with someone in real life.

It's very similar to a lot of other fetishes really.
Think of Sadism - would you be comfortable saying if you enjoyed inflicting pain onto women? You don't have to tattoo that sort of stuff onto your forehead, but during dating it should come up and with a partner you should definitely be able to talk about your sexual interests - no matter if she actually gets breast implants or not, you should be able to find commonalities.

There are ways and scripts and places where you can talk about this without being manipulative or feeling judged.
Otherwise, it's no wonder that you feel bad about this forum here - if it is the sole outlet for your sexuality  :-X

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2021, 10:16:09 am »
Good point Human,
When we are out, Sarah will catch peoples eye, they stare at her for a while - then I’m checked out.
Most times it’s casual and out of curiosity, others, particularly other older women you can see the look of disdain in their eyes.
So yes, if you have a girl on your arm with big fake boobs, lips, makeup, hair etc. you are very much telling the world what your personal preferences are.

This could actually be a good topic to discuss: Are fakes boobs just a version of exhibitionism ;D

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2021, 11:54:15 pm »
The below statements from the forum sums up my current issues with over-objectifying enhanced women and downplaying the risks of XXL medical procedures.

*  If all girls would have huge fake boobs it would be a better world for everyone  *

* Mary and her looks (a 3500cc model/sex worker) is a role model for every young girl out there

 

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2021, 12:41:42 am »
The below statements from the forum sums up my current issues with over-objectifying enhanced women and downplaying the risks of XXL medical procedures.

*  If all girls would have huge fake boobs it would be a better world for everyone  *

* Mary and her looks (a 3500cc model/sex worker) is a role model for every young girl out there

Both quotes are wrong.

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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2021, 08:10:38 am »
Here are the exact quotes and the links to the threads:

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=60611.msg595965#msg595965

"Female perfection and a role model for every young girl out there, how to reach the maximum beauty"

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=64440.msg596207#msg596207

"I want to live in a world where girls like Maddison are the norm. It would be such a better world for everyone"


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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2021, 08:17:28 am »
Your Quote:


* Mary and her looks (a 3500cc model/sex worker) is a role model for every young girl out there

What i say:

"Female perfection and a role model for every young girl out there, how to reach the maximum beauty"



When it comes to maximum beauty, Mary is of course a role model for every girl out there (Who wants to max her beauty), because she reached plastic perfection.
Messi is a role modell for every kid out there, who wants to become a Hall of Fame Soccer player. Same with Mary.

That does not mean that every girl has to look like Mary, or has to become a sex worker. It might be surprising to you, but i am not the one who decides what every girl wants to make out of her life. I can only argue my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

General Question: What is your Problem with Sex Workers?
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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2021, 12:56:45 pm »
Mary might be a role model for any woman who wants 4000cc boobs, probably 4000 adult women out of 4 billion on this earth?  For the rest, the huge majority of women, she is not even close to "maximum beauty" as you call it.  Women in general don't find 4000cc boobs, fake ass and duck lips  attractive, no matter what WE think. 

Sex workers:  I have no problem with sex workers, people should live their lives as they wish.  What I do have a problem with is sex workers being portrayed as role models for young girls to aspire to.    Young girls should dream about winning gold medals, get a nobel-price or become presidents. 


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Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2021, 01:40:28 pm »
Below swaps is in reference to the question to me if I have a problem with sex workers:  i.e:  Can we support sex workers and still find it problematic using them as rolemodels?   

Bill Cosby is such a funny and warm gentleman, if all older men could behave like him the world would be a better place.

Michael Jackson loved children so much, he is a rolemodel for all parents how to behave with children and monkeys

Harvey Weinstein did a great job casting young women in successful movies, he is a rolemodel for all young actresses out there

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