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Title: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on May 19, 2021, 03:01:38 pm
Do we, active members and contributors on this forum, need to care about our actions and how we comment women in regards to their looks, enhancements, what they do with their life and career?   

Are the topics of our discussions on this forum just objects or do we see them as human beings?     Is there a differences on how we perceive and comment on pornstars, amateurs, wifes, escorts, models and celebrities?     

In a couple of threads I have been guilty of off topic discussions around this, resulting in heated debates about who is right, who is wrong, so I started this thread.
 
 
https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=38692.90

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=60883.msg574507#msg574507

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=47738.msg573830#msg573830



Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: poot222 on May 19, 2021, 04:16:08 pm
There is no moral argument. Unless your comments are actionable, they are moot. Unless the person is reading this forum and using it as a guide, it would not directly affect them. And if they are, the person has much greater issues at hand than an internet forum. How is that not obvious? Does virtue signaling cause blindness?

If there was a moral debate, morality is subjective so finding "who is right, who is wrong" is moot.

This site is a niche aspect involving human sexuality, which can be fetishized. It is not real. Often intentionally so. If you want to see real arguments on woke vs. moral in the battle of acceptance vs line-drawing, try fetlife.

Unactioned immoral comments, being moot, fit well with an internet forum that operates an an entertainment vice. It is not university. Calm your tits, bro.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on May 19, 2021, 05:01:58 pm
Thanks for an interesting heated reply moot222.     Maybe YOU should calm YOUR tits.....bro? 

The argument that the subject of the discussion needs to read a hurtful comment for her to be affected has been raised before.  I personally don't agree with this, posts on forums and social media affects society and real persons, in good ways and bad ways.   

The argument that the niche topics posted here are not "real"  sure, some threads are pure fantasy, computer generated graphics or made up stories etc but most posts are about real persons:  The amateur and model sections are very popular, these persons are VERY real, we love to post pictures of these girls and discuss their looks, just because they have enhanced their looks, does not make them less real. 


Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on May 20, 2021, 04:53:47 pm
What’s your point, Wiild?

What is exactly your problem?

You quoted a discussion in the Monika Fox thread. She is a pornstar. I personally like her content. You not. That is totally ok. Why do you have a problem the speech here? Why you are the only one „who cares about human beings“ and people who enjoy her content, her lifetime achievements, disrespect her as a human being?
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: trouble33 on May 21, 2021, 11:07:37 pm
Worries me, when an admin of the forum, can´t conduct himself a bit more professionally. "Calm your tits" as an ending to all your points made, i mean, You went from making decent arguments, to then talking like a teenage kid. Can´t really remember admins of any forums, regardless of genres/topics, being this biased and immature.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Milom on May 22, 2021, 12:22:23 am
Do we, active members and contributors on this forum, need to care about our actions and how we comment women in regards to their looks, enhancements, what they do with their life and career?   

Are the topics of our discussions on this forum just objects or do we see them as human beings?     Is there a differences on how we perceive and comment on pornstars, amateurs, wifes, escorts, models and celebrities?     

In a couple of threads I have been guilty of off topic discussions around this, resulting in heated debates about who is right, who is wrong, so I started this thread.
 
 
https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=38692.90

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=60883.msg574507#msg574507

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=47738.msg573830#msg573830

We need to see them as human beings, it's that simple. Lets not over complicate this. Every man is aware of when he's being a piece of shit, and every man is supposed to try to avoid that. If someone doesn't care, I promise you life is hell on earth for them. Unless you're a stone cold psycho, it does not feel good to be a bad person.

Just try to do the best you can and treat people with kindness. There are no exceptions to this rule. Don't be a dick is the whole of the law.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: pinguinouy on May 22, 2021, 02:07:21 am
There is no moral argument. Unless your comments are actionable, they are moot. Unless the person is reading this forum and using it as a guide, it would not directly affect them. And if they are, the person has much greater issues at hand than an internet forum. How is that not obvious? Does virtue signaling cause blindness?

If there was a moral debate, morality is subjective so finding "who is right, who is wrong" is moot.

This site is a niche aspect involving human sexuality, which can be fetishized. It is not real. Often intentionally so. If you want to see real arguments on woke vs. moral in the battle of acceptance vs line-drawing, try fetlife.

Unactioned immoral comments, being moot, fit well with an internet forum that operates an an entertainment vice. It is not university. Calm your tits, bro.

Your post is a good example to illustrate what I believe is one of the matters at hand here: form of the content posted.

There is no need to say things like " the person has much greater issues at hand than an internet forum. How is that not obvious? Does virtue signaling cause blindness?" Why not say instead something like "I do not think that comments made on an anonymous forum affect wellbeing or people."

But posts on an anonymous Internet forum do affect people, after all, comments such as "real arguments on woke vs. moral in the battle of acceptance vs line-drawing, try fetlife." or "Does virtue signaling cause blindness?" show a visceral reaction from your part.

My point is then, to formulate what wants one to say in a more constructive way, or abstain directly if it won't lead to any productive discussion.

Instead of saying "If you want to see real arguments on woke vs. moral in the battle of acceptance vs line-drawing, try fetlife." , say "I don't this is the place for this kind of moral arguments, there are better placed suited for that, such as XYZ."

Instead of saying "It is not university. Calm your tits, bro."....I would just not say anything at all, because it's just unproductively confrontational.

Going back to what I think generated this thread: comments like "she looks like a fucking monster", "she ruined herself" and sometimes things like mentioning that the model has to get 999999 more procedures done to look good, I think those comments can either be avoided or rephrased.

Example: Instead of saying "Danielle Derek shouldn't have gone bigger and gotten her face all redone, she looks like a trashy plastic mess" I would phrase it "I loved how Danielle Derek looked with her previous implants, I really don't like her much now with bigger boobs."

Now, why should I make an effort in rephrasing or thinking what I post you may ask? Because 99.9% of the time there's no need for me to express my opinion (because comments like this are just that, opinions) denigrating someone else. First, because it doesn't give any satisfaction and second, since frankly no one should give a shit about my opinions but I'm typing them anyway, I might as well try and formulate it in a way that is constructive or at least is not unproductively confrontational.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on May 22, 2021, 10:09:32 pm
My point with this thread is to discuss the moral implications of us interacting on this forum.  I don't think I have some morality monopoly, I am of course not the only one caring about human beings.  In the Monika Fox thread I and a couple of other members raised concerns about the way this girl is being handled (violence).  After watching one of the videos I actually got worried about her wellbeing.  Sorry if that made you uncomfortable. 


What’s your point, Wiild?

What is exactly your problem?

You quoted a discussion in the Monika Fox thread. She is a pornstar. I personally like her content. You not. That is totally ok. Why do you have a problem the speech here? Why you are the only one „who cares about human beings“ and people who enjoy her content, her lifetime achievements, disrespect her as a human being?
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: 00haf on May 22, 2021, 10:25:18 pm
Nobody cares about this
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on May 23, 2021, 12:17:33 am
My point with this thread is to discuss the moral implications of us interacting on this forum.  I don't think I have some morality monopoly, I am of course not the only one caring about human beings.  In the Monika Fox thread I and a couple of other members raised concerns about the way this girl is being handled (violence).  After watching one of the videos I actually got worried about her wellbeing.  Sorry if that made you uncomfortable. 


What’s your point, Wiild?

What is exactly your problem?

You quoted a discussion in the Monika Fox thread. She is a pornstar. I personally like her content. You not. That is totally ok. Why do you have a problem the speech here? Why you are the only one „who cares about human beings“ and people who enjoy her content, her lifetime achievements, disrespect her as a human being?

You need help man. You are worried about her well being just because you do not like the style her porn scenes? She does multiple scenes in this style and you naive guy wants to be the white knight who gets her out this? She made money with it...it is a business for her. She is totally ok!
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on May 24, 2021, 12:29:04 pm
My reflection no 1: Members that only relate to enhanced girls as fantasy sex-objects (porn, modelling) are less likely to care about the wellbeing of them as individuals.  The members that engage with enhanced girls in real life ( as wives, girlfriends, friends, coworkers) are more likely to care about things as their physical and mental health, and if they having a good career, are they making the right life-choices.   

Reflection no 2:    The subject of moral is touchy, people get mad, irritated.  Even the ones that think this subject is crap uses language that shows anger.  The combination of sex, lust, desires with moral/ethics that sometimes is in conflict with thoses desires results in tough dilemmas for many of us.  Some of us take that out by becoming angry. 
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: poot222 on June 17, 2021, 04:57:23 am
Reflection no 2:    The subject of moral is touchy, people get mad, irritated.  Even the ones that think this subject is crap uses language that shows anger.  The combination of sex, lust, desires with moral/ethics that sometimes is in conflict with thoses desires results in tough dilemmas for many of us.  Some of us take that out by becoming angry. 
*shrug* I resent the implication that everyone else's feelings are my implicit responsibility. I also feel I speak with authority since I have, at home, literally more CCs of fake boobs than I have ever heard of anyone else having. I live the life every single day. People can get offended by what other people say all they want, but it is their choice to take offense. Considering my wives are on the receiving end of negative comments /almost daily/ I  would imagine that it supersedes any other simping/white knighting/virtue signaling from the crowd who has never actually experienced this, and simply wants one more thing to worry about if they are doing it Right.

My wives, generally, choose not to take offense to the small-minded comments of third parties. This would be sage advice for anyone receiving negativity.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Milom on June 17, 2021, 11:17:53 pm
Reflection no 2:    The subject of moral is touchy, people get mad, irritated.  Even the ones that think this subject is crap uses language that shows anger.  The combination of sex, lust, desires with moral/ethics that sometimes is in conflict with thoses desires results in tough dilemmas for many of us.  Some of us take that out by becoming angry. 
*shrug* I resent the implication that everyone else's feelings are my implicit responsibility. I also feel I speak with authority since I have, at home, literally more CCs of fake boobs than I have ever heard of anyone else having. I live the life every single day. People can get offended by what other people say all they want, but it is their choice to take offense. Considering my wives are on the receiving end of negative comments /almost daily/ I  would imagine that it supersedes any other simping/white knighting/virtue signaling from the crowd who has never actually experienced this, and simply wants one more thing to worry about if they are doing it Right.

My wives, generally, choose not to take offense to the small-minded comments of third parties. This would be sage advice for anyone receiving negativity.

You do realize you've "chosen" to be offended by what he said? Did it feel like a choice?


Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: poot222 on June 28, 2021, 07:04:11 pm

You do realize you've "chosen" to be offended by what he said? Did it feel like a choice?
Where did I say I was offended?
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on June 30, 2021, 12:42:19 pm
In the Aletta Ocean thread a poster just stated that Aletta "desperately need bigger and rounder/faker boobs!!!"

Aletta has 1200cc boobs, has stated herself that she loves the size and shape of them. She probably makes 50K+ USD in her business.   These kind of statements are not needed, they are false and they affect ALL girls.   If one of the most successful busty stars are not good enough, big enough and beautiful enough.... then who is?    Would someone dare to tell a woman in real life that her boobs are not good enough, you need to go bigger?   what if women did that to us? :-) 
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: lister on June 30, 2021, 03:20:33 pm
My two cents on the subject:

Aletta for example, and every other person that makes money from her appearance in that way, presents herself to us willingly as an object of desire, because that is what sells.

I, for myself, if i cared,would have and express an opinion about the "merchandise" with the brand "Aletta Ocean" that is presented to me.

That has nothing to do with the human Aletta, because i don't know her in that way, and i doubt any of the workers in this branch would want it otherwise, because its business.

So, for anyone that presents his body to me as an instrument to make money, i don't have any moral implications to comment anything about it. I see it the same way as i would tell my opinion about an appliance, a car or any other inanimate object.

On the other side, when we talk about people that just have a presence in social media, or get our attention in any other random way,
of course we owe them a decent treatment as any other human Being, because they didn't ask to get them in this forum and objectify them.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: 00haf on June 30, 2021, 03:25:52 pm
She is an independent businesswoman. Did she ever ask to be protected by anybody? Did she ever say she does not like this? Stop behaving lik you know what is good for her
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on June 30, 2021, 03:51:08 pm
In the Aletta Ocean thread a poster just stated that Aletta "desperately need bigger and rounder/faker boobs!!!"

Aletta has 1200cc boobs, has stated herself that she loves the size and shape of them. She probably makes 50K+ USD in her business.   These kind of statements are not needed, they are false and they affect ALL girls.   If one of the most successful busty stars are not good enough, big enough and beautiful enough.... then who is?    Would someone dare to tell a woman in real life that her boobs are not good enough, you need to go bigger?   what if women did that to us? :-)

Oh boy, you need help man. The white knight Syndrom has taken over your mind…
I predict that you are the one guy out there, who beliefs that the „stepsons“ in MILF scenes are really the stepsons of the female Pornstar 🙈😀

Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on June 30, 2021, 04:56:20 pm
I am alright without help but thanks for your concern.    To shout simping, white knighting, virtue signaling etc is such an easy way of avoiding to deal with your own actions.



Oh boy, you need help man. The white knight Syndrom has taken over your mind…
I predict that you are the one guy out there, who beliefs that the „stepsons“ in MILF scenes are really the stepsons of the female Pornstar 🙈😀
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on June 30, 2021, 05:05:52 pm
I think we need to look at the bigger picture; don't ask only how a specific remark affect the subject (in this case Aletta)  ask yourself how it affects all women and even yourself and other men.   

She is an independent businesswoman. Did she ever ask to be protected by anybody? Did she ever say she does not like this? Stop behaving lik you know what is good for her
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on June 30, 2021, 07:22:38 pm
I am alright without help but thanks for your concern.    To shout simping, white knighting, virtue signaling etc is such an easy way of avoiding to deal with your own actions.



Oh boy, you need help man. The white knight Syndrom has taken over your mind…
I predict that you are the one guy out there, who beliefs that the „stepsons“ in MILF scenes are really the stepsons of the female Pornstar 🙈😀

Hmmm, I call your behaviour white knighting, because that is what you does…that’s it.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on June 30, 2021, 08:33:14 pm
do, what you DO.  and to that and your recent posts I say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JfJhJWxB9Q

Hmmm, I call your behaviour white knighting, because that is what you does…that’s it.

You just don‘t get it. We are speaking about woman who wants to be sex objects, because this is their business. This is not real life. This is about sexual fantasies. I am not interested in a porn stars personals life or feelings, because this would be absurd. The adult performer offers their bodies, the Consumer pay them the Money. It is business. No friendship, no personal relationship, no love, no real life.

A „real“ woman in the real world, could do whatever she wants, like every other human being in the world.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: skippyrecords on July 06, 2021, 09:27:01 am
I don't see how an internet forum is any different than real life.

Everyday in real life you are subjected to people who don't like you. People who insult your appearance. People who coldly reject you. People who question your decisions or call you an idiot. People who spread rumors and talk behind your back.

An internet forum shouldn't make women immune from criticism, any more than reality doesn't protect you from cold and hurtful negativity. Negativity is part of the spectrum of being a public figure that you have to take with the positivity, because people aren't one size fits all so not everyone will like you, and adults should be able to see simple concepts like trolls or jealousy for what they are.

Furthermore, women in the sex industry market themselves for their looks, so saying they overdid it on their boobjob is no different than saying you don't like Guns n Roses new album. Their entire livelihood is aiming for a visual aesthetic. You're free to tell them if they hit it or not as one voice in a crowd.

Me personally, I made a video of my negative experience in dealing with a big boob model, that exposed certain things about me like my naivety and thinking with my dick. I knew it'd make me prone to criticism or insult for the info I put out there, but I know it'd also get me feedback and tough criticism and help me become a better and smarter person as a result. I generally support the idea of free-er speech and having more information and feedback to shoot back and forth with people, because it raises the collective awareness of all parties involved.

If something is untrue or malicious, the one with the proof and the truth can answer to it, otherwise its just a one off comment on an  internet board that won't gain steam. If you've got thousands of malicious people trashing you online and can't deal with them all simultaneously, I think obviously you did something wrong to gain a bad reputation. In the case of the AT&T girl and her unwanted sexual advances for her big boobs, I don't think she did anything wrong to deserve it, but I also think it's on her for failing to see it in a vacuum for what it was, a silly meme that would have went away if she didn't shine a big light on it.

TLDR: I wouldn't take sites like these too seriously.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Akronaute on July 06, 2021, 04:14:07 pm
I think it's an interesting topic because some girls read their own threads here. So my opinion is if you don't harass and push them and your comment just express your personal taste, like "I would love X has 2000cc", that's fine.

If a random comment on the Internet makes you decide to change your body I think the problem it's on the other side and they need some professional help. Because if a non-harassing anom can affect your life like that probably a real life interaction could be even worse.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on July 06, 2021, 04:26:30 pm
I think it's an interesting topic because some girls read their own threads here. So my opinion is if you don't harass and push them and your comment just express your personal taste, like "I would love X has 2000cc", that's fine.

If a random comment on the Internet makes you decide to change your body I think the problem it's on the other side and they need some professional help. Because if a non-harassing anom can affect your life like that probably a real life interaction could be even worse.

100% my opinion. But Wiild is not on our same page. Too bad…
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on July 06, 2021, 05:38:39 pm
Yeah, I have a different view on this subject compared to many on this forum.  Even moderators are calling me white knight or whatever-  :-)  I have realized that this site and it's threads is not well-suited for my needs, it has become too objectifying for my taste.   I will try to spend less time on here and focus more on IRL adventures now that the world is recovering from lockdown. 

Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Hmmlove on July 06, 2021, 08:43:42 pm
I think this thread boils down to the duality of this site. Where there are people on one side discussing their fetishes/models and others trying to interact with the models themselves. I think those two interactions have a different "code" so to speak.

I love chatting about fake boobs as it is my fetish but don't care so much for interacting with the models beyond the sexual aspect of it. But still try to keep it civil. Posting just to say you don't like the look of a model is just like leaving a fart og negativity in a room. It serves little to no purpose. Actively trying to dictate how models should improve themselves, or the thread of how to "convince" your gf to get fake boobs are borderline scumbag imo.

Surgery is not without consequences and along the years have seen many that have had complications. It would be a sad fact indeed if this was somehow was driven by comments on this forum. But in the end I think  the forum can't be held responsible for this. But would encourage everyone to have a general positive attitude. If a model doesn't float your boat you don't have to announce it to everyone.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Lloyd on July 11, 2021, 05:03:50 am
To each their own but I try to not say anything online about someone that I would not say to their face.  That is just for me.  Other people do what they want, I am not their keeper.  However, I do care about the wellbeing of the models and performers; I do not want them abused or hurt as I want them to continue to produce content.  Also, I would not try to change a performer or tell them not to do something, or that they "need" a certain procedure. 

As I have said before some people (not just performers) like certain sexual acts that some of us may not like or want to see.  If a performer does scenes that you think are beneath them or degrading, great, that is your opinion, but unless you can provide proof they are being forced to do these things then keep it to yourself.  This argument loses steam when the performer returns to the same porn producer time and again to do the same type of scene.  They know after the first one or two scenes what they are getting into.  It is up to them whether they want to keep doing it.  And in the case of Monika Fox, she is either one hell of an actress or really enjoys doing these scenes. 

I know some people in to the sex clubs and domination clubs and they have told me some things that people (men and women) do that gets them excited.  One escort even told me about a girl who wanted to "clean up after her", meaning she wanted to clean, with her tongue, the genitals of both her and her customer after they had finished sex.  Without having any sex of any type herself.  I have heard other stories about golden showers and brown showers that women have asked her for.  Why would people think that some of these porn stars are not in to kinky stuff, like other normal(?) people, just because they are deemed attractive?  Just because a guy or girl is attractive does not mean they are not into some fucked up stuff.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: tomtee on August 13, 2021, 06:25:43 am
Nobody cares about this
Wrong. I TOTALLY care about this. And I am a frequent user/poster on this forum.

But it reveals to me that however much I'd like to be a feminist, a promoter of equality between the sexes, and someone who wants the barriers of gender to be blown away, I still VERY MUCH have an ideal woman for sex in my mind, which this forum delivers in a virtual version. Over and over again.

So, we users of this forum must admit: it is one of the ways in which male superiority over women is exercised. This whole site is dedicated to women enhancing themselves just to be more attractive to men. What we do here is promote a body image that is unattainable for the VAST majority of women naturally, and without means for elective surgery. I struggle with that morally, as a person who really wants to live in a world where men and women are equal. Even where the whole polarity of male vs. female is challenged. I believe there is a gender spectrum, which is just starting to be acknowledged . . . perhaps a whole 'nother topic . . .

Anyway, while this site is body-enhancement positive, that's NOT a feminist perspective. If you are someone that truly wants to see women liberated, this forum isn't helping make that happen. I struggle with that. If you don't, and enjoy this forum, then I'd say you're probably sexist.

Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on August 13, 2021, 08:10:14 am
Nobody cares about this
Wrong. I TOTALLY care about this. And I am a frequent user/poster on this forum.

But it reveals to me that however much I'd like to be a feminist, a promoter of equality between the sexes, and someone who wants the barriers of gender to be blown away, I still VERY MUCH have an ideal woman for sex in my mind, which this forum delivers in a virtual version. Over and over again.

So, we users of this forum must admit: it is one of the ways in which male superiority over women is exercised. This whole site is dedicated to women enhancing themselves just to be more attractive to men. What we do here is promote a body image that is unattainable for the VAST majority of women naturally, and without means for elective surgery. I struggle with that morally, as a person who really wants to live in a world where men and women are equal. Even where the whole polarity of male vs. female is challenged. I believe there is a gender spectrum, which is just starting to be acknowledged . . . perhaps a whole 'nother topic . . .

Anyway, while this site is body-enhancement positive, that's NOT a feminist perspective. If you are someone that truly wants to see women liberated, this forum isn't helping make that happen. I struggle with that. If you don't, and enjoy this forum, then I'd say you're probably sexist.

Oh wow….

All woman yo surgery for the men? In what world do you live? If someone enjoys the forum, he is a sexist? Are you serious with this bullshit? You need help man.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: crusius on August 13, 2021, 10:34:37 am
Nobody cares about this
Wrong. I TOTALLY care about this. And I am a frequent user/poster on this forum.

But it reveals to me that however much I'd like to be a feminist, a promoter of equality between the sexes, and someone who wants the barriers of gender to be blown away, I still VERY MUCH have an ideal woman for sex in my mind, which this forum delivers in a virtual version. Over and over again.

So, we users of this forum must admit: it is one of the ways in which male superiority over women is exercised. This whole site is dedicated to women enhancing themselves just to be more attractive to men. What we do here is promote a body image that is unattainable for the VAST majority of women naturally, and without means for elective surgery. I struggle with that morally, as a person who really wants to live in a world where men and women are equal. Even where the whole polarity of male vs. female is challenged. I believe there is a gender spectrum, which is just starting to be acknowledged . . . perhaps a whole 'nother topic . . .

Anyway, while this site is body-enhancement positive, that's NOT a feminist perspective. If you are someone that truly wants to see women liberated, this forum isn't helping make that happen. I struggle with that. If you don't, and enjoy this forum, then I'd say you're probably sexist.

Equality between sexes doesn't mean sameness.
Having a gender spectrum be possible, doesn't mean that a far end of femininity and masculinity can't or shouldn't exist. It also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to live and enjoy their own, personal sexuality, no matter if it is devised from cultural mainstream and heteronormative or outside of that.

The majority of women that are somehow represented in this forum use the sexual attention that they get and provoke for monetization, which is also not inherently flawed if there is not some form of gaslighting or violence involved. It is a choice that women can make in this society. This forum enables that choice, and doesn't disallow other choices.
How we interact with women in real life who are not represented here is a whole other question.

Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty of sexism going on here. It's not ok to see women as inferior and write angry blurbs because they are "not big enough" or not attractive for you in some other way, and there is way too much going on of that - especially since we are always also talking about a medical issue.

But classical feminist issues, like gender violence or the pay gap should not be connected to personal sexuality or how people look.

In other words, liking breast implants is not exercising male superiority over women.
Talking about them isn't either.
Emanzipation works with or without fake tits.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on August 13, 2021, 02:33:49 pm
Nobody cares about this
I struggle with that.

Good post, I feel the same way, I struggle too.  I feel it is a mostly healthy struggle, better to have the struggle and discuss it then to surpress it and claim that body enhancements are 100% positive for all involved.    The ones here that are not ready for this type of reasoning and sometimes shout "you need help man" to whoever annoys them or have a different view are not yet open or mature enough to see that they are sexist.  Sexists rarely see it themself.  But if you would read out many of the comments from this forum IRL, at work or for your kids or parents, in that real life context they would have a hard time defending them.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: human_x1823rfwe232 on August 13, 2021, 08:10:00 pm
Do we, active members and contributors on this forum, need to care about our actions and how we comment women in regards to their looks, enhancements, what they do with their life and career?   

Are the topics of our discussions on this forum just objects or do we see them as human beings?     Is there a differences on how we perceive and comment on pornstars, amateurs, wifes, escorts, models and celebrities?     

In a couple of threads I have been guilty of off topic discussions around this, resulting in heated debates about who is right, who is wrong, so I started this thread.
 
 
https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=38692.90

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=60883.msg574507#msg574507

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=47738.msg573830#msg573830


I propose that this quandary of morals starts as one of context and audience...

The debate starts with the question of "What is the purpose of ThePerfectBoobs.net?"  Some users view this site as one where they can enter the fantasy world of their sexual desires. Others might see this site as a locker room chat where objects of sexual desire can be ogled and gossiped about. And others still might see it as a forum where all sexes and lovers of the female anatomy can safely explore enhancements to the female form... The list could go on and on, but I think the basis for many arguments starts with the fact that different users view this site for different proposes, and even the most "moral" of us can admit to making comments about other women to a friend that we wouldn't say to that person's face. In lack of a specifically defined propose of this site, I think we all have to assume that anything we say, needs to be something we would say to that person's face (since they could be reading). But as social media has taught us - people acting anonymously often act without accountability.  And even non-anonymous people have no problem acting (speaking) badly. 

Then the debate continues with consideration of the audience, in particular, the women "on display".  Some women probably don't know they are mentioned here or don't care, while others watch this site or even participate. Some women on this site that participate in the display of their enhanced bodies do so acting as their selves, while others are acting more as an actress in character.  Each likely has their own drive; money, attention, their own sexual desires, or possibly not even their own but their partner or husbands.  What each women is here for is a line that can get quite blurred, but I'd say at best we could guess based on the existence of some form of paid content and use of fake names.  Without the woman stating specifically if they are participating and at what level, we can only guess.  I would default to say again that without the certainty of knowing, a moral person should default with the assumption that the women are participating in one way or another, and reading what is said about them as a person (not character).

With these in mind, we can then make some proposals about moral vs immoral acts.  It would be immoral to do any of the following without further clarifying the propose of the site and the participation expectations of the women in focus;
- Post pictures of women without their knowledge (images not already made public)
- Make negative comments about a person's physical appearance (unless honest feedback is requested)
- Use rude or inapropriate language
- Objectify a person
- Make moral judgements about another person
- Make comments of a strong sexual nature
etc... (99% of us should be capable of coming up with a list of immoral acts = things you wouldn't do to your mother or sister)

I believe this site and all the forums could still exist and adhere to basic guidelines of morality - i.e. this site in and of itself is not immoral, and neither is being a participant in the activities of this site.  In actual practice, all of this is hard because we have people from different cultural backgrounds, different life styles, and different moral codes.  Thus, to some extent I'd say this debate is one that could go on without end... or at least till people stop adding comments that pop it back to the top of the list  ;D
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: tomtee on August 19, 2021, 06:48:59 am
My arguments about why TPB is inherently sexist go over the heads of most users here, I'm afraid. But, as Wiild pointed out to me, who do you expect to find as participants in such a forum as this, that glorifies the objectification of the the female form into the most male-pleasing version possible, including where potentially dangerous surgery is encouraged to achieve that "ideal"?

And yet, yes, I, too, am very attracted to this enhanced female form. And, so, here I am, enjoying having my sexual fantasy fulfilled here, at least digitally. That's the contradiction I struggle with: simultaneously consuming porn and buying sex, and desiring a world where women are as free as men. TPB represents an objectification of women that is not helpful in their liberation. But it is a pleasure for me to consume what is delivered here. Admittedly, I give in to my pleasure, rather than hold with my ideal. Therein, the struggle.

Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Akronaute on August 19, 2021, 03:41:11 pm
Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

Let's get real: no one shares publicly their kinks.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: human_x1823rfwe232 on August 20, 2021, 05:57:52 pm
Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

Let's get real: no one shares publicly their kinks.

Generally speaking I'm sure that's probably the case.  But I would respectfully counter this claim from personal experience - If you have a girlfriend or wife with XL breast implants, heavily augmented lips, facial fillers, Buttox Augmentations and/or any combination of the like, you are effectively making it public what your kinks are without having to state it. This is sort of the trade-off of being with someone heavily augmented as some of the women featured here.  The general public often judges the women more, but judgement is also shared with the partner from time to time.  This certainly does take the question of the "Moral Implications of being a perfect boobs lover" to a whole different angle when you can't hide behind a made up username.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wabill on August 28, 2021, 12:59:59 am
Good point Human,
When we are out, Sarah will catch peoples eye, they stare at her for a while - then I’m checked out.
Most times it’s casual and out of curiosity, others, particularly other older women you can see the look of disdain in their eyes.
So yes, if you have a girl on your arm with big fake boobs, lips, makeup, hair etc. you are very much telling the world what your personal preferences are.

Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: crusius on August 31, 2021, 10:10:01 am
My arguments about why TPB is inherently sexist go over the heads of most users here, I'm afraid. But, as Wiild pointed out to me, who do you expect to find as participants in such a forum as this, that glorifies the objectification of the the female form into the most male-pleasing version possible, including where potentially dangerous surgery is encouraged to achieve that "ideal"?

And yet, yes, I, too, am very attracted to this enhanced female form. And, so, here I am, enjoying having my sexual fantasy fulfilled here, at least digitally. That's the contradiction I struggle with: simultaneously consuming porn and buying sex, and desiring a world where women are as free as men. TPB represents an objectification of women that is not helpful in their liberation. But it is a pleasure for me to consume what is delivered here. Admittedly, I give in to my pleasure, rather than hold with my ideal. Therein, the struggle.

Let's get real: if I couldn't hide behind a wall of anonymity here, I wouldn't be here. I would not admit my involvement in this site, nor my interest in beautiful, big-boobed, curvaceous women to anyone IRL, really.

To describe the female form we are interested in here as the one that is the "most male-pleasing version possible" is a bit of an overstatement in my book. Other men like other forms.
I'm not sure if you are criticising the people here for the expression of their interests, or the idea of breast implants itself or both.

This forum could and should be made more female friendly (regardless of there actually being more women here), but that has little to nothing to do with you not being able to talk about your interest in fake boobs with someone in real life.

It's very similar to a lot of other fetishes really.
Think of Sadism - would you be comfortable saying if you enjoyed inflicting pain onto women? You don't have to tattoo that sort of stuff onto your forehead, but during dating it should come up and with a partner you should definitely be able to talk about your sexual interests - no matter if she actually gets breast implants or not, you should be able to find commonalities.

There are ways and scripts and places where you can talk about this without being manipulative or feeling judged.
Otherwise, it's no wonder that you feel bad about this forum here - if it is the sole outlet for your sexuality  :-X
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: crusius on August 31, 2021, 10:16:09 am
Good point Human,
When we are out, Sarah will catch peoples eye, they stare at her for a while - then I’m checked out.
Most times it’s casual and out of curiosity, others, particularly other older women you can see the look of disdain in their eyes.
So yes, if you have a girl on your arm with big fake boobs, lips, makeup, hair etc. you are very much telling the world what your personal preferences are.

This could actually be a good topic to discuss: Are fakes boobs just a version of exhibitionism ;D
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on September 28, 2021, 11:54:15 pm
The below statements from the forum sums up my current issues with over-objectifying enhanced women and downplaying the risks of XXL medical procedures.

*  If all girls would have huge fake boobs it would be a better world for everyone  *

* Mary and her looks (a 3500cc model/sex worker) is a role model for every young girl out there

 
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on September 29, 2021, 12:41:42 am
The below statements from the forum sums up my current issues with over-objectifying enhanced women and downplaying the risks of XXL medical procedures.

*  If all girls would have huge fake boobs it would be a better world for everyone  *

* Mary and her looks (a 3500cc model/sex worker) is a role model for every young girl out there

Both quotes are wrong.

You live in your own world…
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on September 29, 2021, 08:10:38 am
Here are the exact quotes and the links to the threads:

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=60611.msg595965#msg595965

"Female perfection and a role model for every young girl out there, how to reach the maximum beauty"

https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=64440.msg596207#msg596207

"I want to live in a world where girls like Maddison are the norm. It would be such a better world for everyone"

Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Trophylover on September 29, 2021, 08:17:28 am
Your Quote:


* Mary and her looks (a 3500cc model/sex worker) is a role model for every young girl out there

What i say:

"Female perfection and a role model for every young girl out there, how to reach the maximum beauty"



When it comes to maximum beauty, Mary is of course a role model for every girl out there (Who wants to max her beauty), because she reached plastic perfection.
Messi is a role modell for every kid out there, who wants to become a Hall of Fame Soccer player. Same with Mary.

That does not mean that every girl has to look like Mary, or has to become a sex worker. It might be surprising to you, but i am not the one who decides what every girl wants to make out of her life. I can only argue my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

General Question: What is your Problem with Sex Workers?
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on September 29, 2021, 12:56:45 pm
Mary might be a role model for any woman who wants 4000cc boobs, probably 4000 adult women out of 4 billion on this earth?  For the rest, the huge majority of women, she is not even close to "maximum beauty" as you call it.  Women in general don't find 4000cc boobs, fake ass and duck lips  attractive, no matter what WE think. 

Sex workers:  I have no problem with sex workers, people should live their lives as they wish.  What I do have a problem with is sex workers being portrayed as role models for young girls to aspire to.    Young girls should dream about winning gold medals, get a nobel-price or become presidents. 

Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on September 29, 2021, 01:40:28 pm
Below swaps is in reference to the question to me if I have a problem with sex workers:  i.e:  Can we support sex workers and still find it problematic using them as rolemodels?   

Bill Cosby is such a funny and warm gentleman, if all older men could behave like him the world would be a better place.

Michael Jackson loved children so much, he is a rolemodel for all parents how to behave with children and monkeys

Harvey Weinstein did a great job casting young women in successful movies, he is a rolemodel for all young actresses out there
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: KwukDuck on September 30, 2021, 05:41:48 pm
What about nobody SHOULD anything? You're free to express your opinion, have a vision. Just don't violate the freedom of others or push your narrative onto others in dishonest and manipulative ways.
Voicing your views on beauty to some girl is something totally different than systematically manipulating her into thinking your views are the only option she has to be any kind of worthy individual.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: tomtee on September 30, 2021, 06:26:49 pm
Can we support sex workers and still find it problematic using them as rolemodels?

Exactly! If you support sex workers (and I do, and am certainly guilty of this myself), you are perpetuating male dominance of women. That's the foundation of the whole industry. Sure, you can argue that many work in the industry (and get enhancements) very willingly, and that makes it OK, but they are doing that within a system that is very unequal. Of course, many women have figured out how to use the system to their financial advantage, exploiting mens' desires, others probably thrive on the attention, but the positive experience of individuals does not make the system any more politically or socially correct. And I totally get it that most here just say, "To hell with political correctness!" Well, then nothing changes, and women continue to be objectified and exploited.

Ask yourself, "Why is there so little male pornography for women?"
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Arie on October 01, 2021, 12:33:25 pm
I’ve come out of retirement just to say that Wiild should talk, write and behave however he likes and not force that upon others. Wiild, I think you come from a much more misogynistic and oppressive place than your realize yourself, but that’s fine as long as it doesn’t negatively impact others.

Here’s the real deal:

1) There’s a difference between saying” SHE should get X amount of cc’s” in a discussion where a woman is the subject and saying “YOU should get X amount of cc’s” at a woman. Especially if you don’t know the woman you’re talking to or have any reason to think she wants your input.

2) It’s not up to you to decide the lifestyle and source of income that is right or wanted for a girl. Just like any person they should be able to decide for themselves and there are (were?) few opportunities as profitable for instance as the OnlyFans boom during peak-Covid.

3) Many people, especially females, like to be objectified in one way or another and will signal that desire to those who match and enjoy objectifying.

4) When I’m being sold a content with *WOMAN* vibes, it’s totally OK to talk about the seller in that way. You realize “Aletta Ocean” isn’t a real person right? She wasn’t born with the look, personality and name she portrays herself. It’s a role she plays because it makes her money and/or brings her joy. When Mary offers her body for sex, she’s aware she’s basically reducing herself to the same function as a Fleshlight. You use her to blow your load, that’s all. Seeing as she isn’t charging a lot of money, especially for her uniqueness when it comes to implant size, I think we can guess she enjoys that aspect.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: lister on October 01, 2021, 02:36:19 pm
Can we support sex workers and still find it problematic using them as rolemodels?

Exactly! If you support sex workers (and I do, and am certainly guilty of this myself), you are perpetuating male dominance of women.



Well, we have to admit, that to one extend, there are still some problems with gender equality in the western world.

But when we talk about sex workers, we have to draw a line between forced sex work, trafficking, etc and the sex workers we admire on this site.

In first category, it is a matter of force and it is without the consent of the "worker", and of course it is despicable.

In second category, it is a matter of professional choice. Either because this way of life suits them better, or because, of course, they can make many times the money that most people make in other professions.

It looks, in the way you are presenting this, that those women have no individual will, or intelligence, or even a choice what to do with their lives.

Isn't that a little bit downgrading to them?


Ask yourself, "Why is there so little male pornography for women?"

There is always demand and supply.

What is the thing that would stop the supply of male porn, if there was a demand?

Are there not enough actors, or because of the pay gap, there isn't any money left for women to pay for porn?

Maybe the "moral stigma" of a woman watching porn, but with the anonymity of the internet, i don't think this is a problem nowadays.



Please excuse any grammatical errors, I'm trying my best, but English is not my native language
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on October 02, 2021, 09:57:26 am
I personally think that it is healthy for us men to reflect on how our consumption of porn effect us and the society as a whole.

One comment about one woman on a porn forum can be seen as nothing, but if we look at it on a macro level:   There is a constant voicing of views on beauty to women.  I personally would prefer if I don't contribute too much to this. 
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on October 02, 2021, 04:52:08 pm
For those of you who want a rather amusing twist on equality and man vs woman check out @manwhohasitall on twitter
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: lister on October 02, 2021, 10:58:27 pm
I personally think that it is healthy for us men to reflect on how our consumption of porn effect us and the society as a whole.

One comment about one woman on a porn forum can be seen as nothing, but if we look at it on a macro level:   There is a constant voicing of views on beauty to women.  I personally would prefer if I don't contribute too much to this.

I think i am starting to see a point in your reasoning.

First, it appeared that you are trying to protect adult workers from the very essence of their work. As i said, they are in this thing consciously and i don't think they care about any kind of protection, since our various kinks are bringing the food on the table for them.

I guess the problem starts when porn consumers believe that the characters they are seeing appear in real life.

It should be obvious, that women in our everyday life are complex human beings and not fictional, one sided, oversimplified porn personas.

It occurred to me only right now, that some people may have this problem, because i never had this issue by myself.

But even in real life, when people get together, they can do the "weirdest" things, and it will still be none of our business to judge, as long as there is mutual consent. Even if it don't fits our own world theory.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: crusius on October 19, 2021, 03:06:23 pm
I personally think that it is healthy for us men to reflect on how our consumption of porn effect us and the society as a whole.

One comment about one woman on a porn forum can be seen as nothing, but if we look at it on a macro level:   There is a constant voicing of views on beauty to women.  I personally would prefer if I don't contribute too much to this.

All true.

That still doesn't make loving big fake boobies in and of itself wrong.
None of us went out and chose what we are attracted to.
I couldn't "self reflect" that away from me, no matter how much i tried.

What matters is how we relate to what we are attracted to.
And that is basic sexual communication.
Stating what you desire, not forcing anything upon other people and not shaming anyone for their own kinks.
Most people cannot provide what they are attracted to themselves. It's the nature of sexuality.

Repression of women happens when we can't communicate our interests, not because we have them.

There is also nothing wrong with connecting with like minded people over similar interests and sharing information about it.
Of course I would prefer if this forum was more female friendly - if anything because it would be more couples friendly too.
And there are ways to do that, but that is for the most part a different question in my opinion.
Title: Re: Moral implications of being a perfect boobs lover
Post by: Wiild on November 27, 2021, 11:14:43 pm
After reading Nova Nice's open answer about the risks of XL implant surgery I am getting even more cautious about encouraging women to get XL size implants. 


https://theperfectboobs.net/index.php?topic=8382.465